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Introducing Point/Counter Point

Posted by admin in February 6th, 2021
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I’d like to introduce Jamie McCarthy. Yes. We are related. Jamie, as a wife, full-time working mother of three and a medical professional, brings a unique perspective to the world around her and the community in which she lives. Jamie is a follower of Jesus. She’s also a millennial, though no label is sufficient to describe her. I’ve invited Jamie to participate in my blogs as a kind of “counter point” perspective. She’s graciously agreed to do so – and let me give you a heads up – that might be the only thing you’ll see us agree on. (That’s tongue-in-cheek of course). Jamie and I wanted to let readers see that people in the Body of Christ, people in the same families, people coming from different backgrounds can see the world differently and that’s okay. Hopefully, prayerfully, Jamie and I will live out the idea that Christians can truly disagree agreeably.

Jamie’s first “Counter Point” perspective is on my Super Bowl post from February 3, 2021. Here’s a link: http://terimccarthyblahblahblog.com/god-and-the-super-bowl/

I like the way Jamie said, “Some of your readers might have questions and are too afraid of you to ask.” Thanks Jamie, for being a voice for them.

ON THE OTHERHAND WITH JAMIE

The idea that the sanctuary in churches is being used for football parties and sporting events, I would agree with you, shouldn’t be done. The church itself, especially the sanctuary should be kept set apart for communion. But in this Super Bowl post, there seems to be something else—something more targeted and angrier.

 

“the church of Jesus Christ has no business imbibing it (football) as entertainment. If folks love the game, let them feel free to watch it in their own homes….but not to mention the concept of keeping the Sabbath holy? Remember that?”
Do you not hear the condemnation in your voice in this post?

 

For two main reasons:

 

  1. Whose standards are we using?

The sabbath should be kept holy but there is certainly a pretty wide range of ways people can remain faithful to that. I think a lot of God fearing people who love the Lord with all their heart, soul, and strength if asked, “Do you remember the Sabbath and keep it holy?” would answer, “yes”.  You may not watch football on Sunday but there are probably other things you do that could be seen and interpreted as not keeping the Sabbath. For example, I’ve seen You on Facebook on Sundays before.  I’ve had email from you on Sundays.  That would mean you are on the internet. If the sabbath should be considered holy and your job as a writer is exclusively internet based why do you not stay off the internet on Sundays?  I am asking not because I think that you should or need to.  I am merely trying to pose a question: Whose standards are we using?  When Lance was young and part of the Church of God Holiness, eating in a restaurant was considered not keeping the day holy.  Is that the line?  Who decides where that line is?
I think I have trouble with your perspective because I see so many exceptions. Not just with sports. If you begin addressing the issue of another person working on the Sabbath, then you are forced to examine your own habits and rituals on the Sabbath. Would you reveal the contents of your last 6 Sundays and everything that you did? Without knowing you were going to be asked would you feel nervous? I think if we are not careful in how we perceive one another and the Ten Commandments it can lead us down a path of legalistic thinking and I believe strongly that one of Christ’s main desires was to replace our dependence on the law of the stone tablet with His Law in our hearts.  Messier, less black and white, but much more demanding.

 

  1. We do not have to be OF this world to be in this world!! Thank You, Jesus!!

Because WE are not OF this world! Galatians 5:18 tells us, “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.”

 

I think people who love Jesus should find every reason under the sun to get together and know one another better. If, however, I show up at a BBQ my friend from church is having and they are all doing drugs and watching porn- pretty sure the Spirit would lead me to get the heck outta there ASAP! That’s the same with Football Super Bowl Gatherings. When unprofessional misconduct occurs on the field- I want to talk about it openly. I want it to trigger how my fellow believers dealt with a conflict that week.

 

I don’t believe the event is as important as how we “live” the event.  I’ve been to bible studies that are brimming with gossip (“Bless their hearts”).  And church services that lack charity (fundraising for a new unnecessary sanctuary).  And football parties where love and joy are there in abundance.

 

Whether it is a gathering for football or a gathering for prayer- Christians of every broken kind— I believe are called now more than ever before, Yes. I believe we are called to be true and noble and just. Anytime people get together in a group there is temptation. There always is. Always has been. Is gossiping a bigger sin than lust? I don’t know. But, greater is He who is in you and me than he who is in the world…and we are led by the spirit, not the law. If we were being sensitive to the voice of our Heavenly Father we would be able go anywhere and talk to anyone. We need only to lift our eyes up, and KEEP our eyes up on the one who sees and knows all things.

“What about the million-dollar question, ‘Who is responsible for watching the filthy halftime show in order to let everyone else know when it’s over and okay to tune back in?”
Well, not that it’s your job to judge others…

Matthew 7 in the amplified Bible, “Do not judge and criticize and condemn [others unfairly with an attitude of self-righteous superiority as though assuming the office of a judge], so that you will not be judged [unfairly].”

There are ways families can love football and not love the halftime show. There are ways families can love the game and not promote any personal or professional lifestyle of any of the NFL players. We turn the TV off at half time and set a timer and then we don’t put it back on until the game restarts.

 

“Also, is this a good example for our kids?”

Football does and has the ability to build relationships. Watching sports as a family does build relationships. Is it always the best kind of relationships? I can’t answer to that. I know for me and my family, it has become an especially fun way for us all to be in the same room together and discuss strategy, technique, and most of all- good attitude and how to possess good character on a team. I think when you are watching a game together if you are open to it and if the children are of an age of maturity, anything can be discussed and that is true not just when you watch football but when you are doing anything together as a family. The conduit is of course, the parents and not the T.V.

 

Jesus was all about relationships—the sincere, honest kind. The relationship Lance has with his sons is a Fatherly one for sure, it is based on respect and love. But there is tenderness and vulnerability there on both sides.  I think sometimes sports can often open up and enable communication to occur easier.  Not always, but sometimes.

 

“Marxist ideologies, anti-American stands, anti-Christianity, having children out of wedlock…”

That is quite the list.  I’m actually wondering how I have missed all the Marxism in the games each week.  You are throwing around a lot of things that make it easy to get lost in outrage and division but I personally think if Jesus were as upset about this as you are in this post then he would be at the Super Bowl, walking around and talking to all of those “people” that you think comprise so much of the hurt, the sin, and the brokenness—the reason the world is in such the mess that you think it is in today.

It seems like you are saying that because the lives of many of the NFL players are sinful that we shouldn’t watch them.  Is that right?  If that is true, then who could we possibly watch?  Our recent president would of course be off limits as well as any movie or tv show actor I can think of, and many of my own family members and friends.  In fact, we had better just turn off all devices, close the curtains and grow food in our basement.  Move over desert fathers, we are coming back.

 

But our lives when we are younger were not blameless, were they? Yet it seems like you’re preaching blameless, sinless behavior without humility and from a standpoint of maturity. Everyone I know looks back on their life and regrets (or should regret) choices they made. Our whole lives are a tapestry of free will, learning, perspective, gaining wisdom and over and over again. It allows for mistakes and allows for forgiveness and ultimately brings many people to Him and to their knees. Some take longer to get there than others.

 

There is no doubt we live in a world where evil resides and it has overwhelmed our culture, our homes, and our families. So, we take it back. One day at a time. One decision at a time. One fruit of the spirit at a time. For by the fruit they will know we are His- and He is NOT of this world. He has gone to prepare a place for us. And we teach our children this too.

 

“We wonder why God has delivered us into the hands of morally bankrupt government leaders! THIS is the spirit of the ANTI-Christ!”  

If it is your calling to speak about the NFL and the evil that the Super Bowl ignites in you every year, I would only request that you not forget about those who do hold different views and perspectives and be careful that it doesn’t sound like your mixing politics with religion by basing our redemption and salvation on whether or not we voted on a certain side.  I don’t think it’s biblical that Jesus took a side politically. In fact, nowhere in the Bible did Jesus ever side with a government official or politically make a stand and side with a degree of any form of parliament or power. Don’t think this was because he couldn’t see this coming. He DID. So what did he say?
“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”   Matthew 15:22

Thank you for letting me share my thoughts here. My hope is that the church as a whole will ask questions, and seek understanding, and as the scriptures tell us to do…remember what James said in 1:19“Understand this, my dear brothers and sisters: You must all be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to get angry.”

“Therefore, surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses [who by faith have testified to the truth of God’s absolute faithfulness]…”

 

 



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56278. Angela said,
February 8th, 2021 at 12:40 am

This is a wonderful idea: point/counter point. But I would also like to hear if you can agree on anything said.

You made great points, but I love Teri’s willingness to stand against the cultural tide, and I definitely want to encourage and stand beside her.
Blessings to both of you.
Angela

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56286. R. Scott Golden said,
February 8th, 2021 at 8:54 am

Didn’t see any Marxism last night. Some while back Teri accused my pastor Timothy Keller of being a Marxist. I’ve listened to more sermons from him than from any other preacher in my 55 years. Not one hint of Marxism have I ever heard. On the couple of rare occasions Tim did mention Marx, it was not to endorse, but to contrast Marxism with the Truth of the Gospel. Never heard anyone who does a better job of introducing people to Jesus and the Truth of the Bible. Teri has defamed Tim and it’s hard to understand why. It is bearing false witness. She would surely be devastated if someone lied about her in this way.

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56287. admin said,
February 8th, 2021 at 9:13 am

Thanks for leaving this comment Scott. I’d be grateful if you’d go to the Tim Keller post and show specifically where I’m wrong on Keller’s writings. You have a great legal mind and one that I truly respect. Please know, I did contact Keller before ever posting anything on him and asked his office to respond. They said he simply didn’t have time. But if you wouldn’t mind going over each point in the Keller piece and helping me see my mistakes, I would appreciate it. I wouldn’t call them lies; could it be we don’t see it the same? A lie would be, “John Smith had an affair!” When I knew for a fact he had not. Reading Keller’s books and saying, “Hey! This smacks of Marxism.” Isn’t a lie. And please note, I used multiple resources. I’m willing to change anything I reported incorrectly about Keller.

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56288. admin said,
February 8th, 2021 at 9:19 am

Also Scott, I really appreciate Timothy Kauffman of the Trinity Foundation who has written extensively on Keller’s Marxist leanings. Have you read anything of his? He is a much better writer and thinker than I am and more in your league.

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